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		<title>By: Bling, Blang, Blung: Are Ratings Just the New Bronze Medals? &#171; The Wine Skewer</title>
		<link>http://rebeccachapa.com/2009/05/06/the-judging-circuit/#comment-151</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bling, Blang, Blung: Are Ratings Just the New Bronze Medals? &#171; The Wine Skewer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 22:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] of gauging wine quality. {For an interesting take on the nature of competition wine-judging, check this post  at www.rebeccachapa.com.} Proliferation of medals—from diverse sources—compounded the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of gauging wine quality. {For an interesting take on the nature of competition wine-judging, check this post  at <a href="http://www.rebeccachapa.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.rebeccachapa.com</a>.} Proliferation of medals—from diverse sources—compounded the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Cochard</title>
		<link>http://rebeccachapa.com/2009/05/06/the-judging-circuit/#comment-140</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 21:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Rebecca, Found a link to this article at wine review on line. I have not had the time to read and am runnig out the door, but will. Just wanted to give you a heads up regarding Tim Patterson&#039;s article in the current issue of Wines and Vines on the issue and the study done at Pooch&#039;s California State Fair Competition.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rebecca, Found a link to this article at wine review on line. I have not had the time to read and am runnig out the door, but will. Just wanted to give you a heads up regarding Tim Patterson&#8217;s article in the current issue of Wines and Vines on the issue and the study done at Pooch&#8217;s California State Fair Competition.</p>
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		<title>By: rebeccachapa</title>
		<link>http://rebeccachapa.com/2009/05/06/the-judging-circuit/#comment-134</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 20:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PS The Decanter wine matched WINE B]]></description>
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		<title>By: rebeccachapa</title>
		<link>http://rebeccachapa.com/2009/05/06/the-judging-circuit/#comment-133</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 20:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for your thoughtful comment.  I totally understand your valid points.  All the competitions that I mention have a list of judges and their biographies and credentials as well as information regarding the methodology they use on their websites.  While I understand that this process may seem random to you, remember that an individual palate is very random naturally.  Does the critic in question disclose whether they ate spicy Thai food the night before the tasting or whether they were having a fight with their spouse?  Did Fedex arrive in the middle of their tasting?  Did they have a deadline to meet so they had to taste more wines than usual that day?  I know that the most reputable critics try to keep their tasting as consistent as possible, but there is no way to be 100% consistent whether in a judging or as an individual critic.

Also please remember that I was not speaking as much about an educated consumer such as yourself who researches wines before they go to a wine store, I was thinking more in terms of a less savvy consumer who is at Safeway and needs to know on the fly what wine to grab, or maybe a buyer for a retailer chain that has less experience and less opportunity to taste the wines themselves.  They do not read four or five critics reviews and cross reference them with their own experiences.  Obviously the ideal scenario would be for the consumer to determine what they like themselves, but we know that is not generally the norm.  

Critics can be helpful but I find that all too often their critiques rely on flowery language rather than on what the structure, balance, alcohol, tannin and acidity in the wine is like.  This is my pet peeve.  If you were to read a review &quot;blind&quot; I would think you would be hard-pressed to figure out what the wine was.  While some critics taste blind the consumer that buys according to critical review does not BUY blind.  Which of these three Spectator rated wines would you buy?  And how much would you pay?  
WINE A&quot;&lt;strong&gt;Ripe&lt;/strong&gt;, plush and deeply concentrated, with tiers of currant, &lt;strong&gt;plum&lt;/strong&gt;, &lt;strong&gt;blackberry&lt;/strong&gt; and spicy &lt;strong&gt;cedar&lt;/strong&gt;y oak.  Firmly tannic, lively and deep revealing extra flavor nuances on the long engaging finish.  Best from 2008 through 2013. 11, 800 cases made. J.M.&quot;
WINE B&quot;Very &lt;strong&gt;ripe&lt;/strong&gt;, but also racy with an exotic array of graphite, tar, sweet dark chocolate, &lt;strong&gt;plum&lt;/strong&gt;, fig and violet.  Has great &lt;strong&gt;structure&lt;/strong&gt; and drive through the grip-filled finish. Drink now through 2009.  3,000 cases made, J.M&quot;
WINE C&quot;Firm and well-&lt;strong&gt;structure&lt;/strong&gt;d, exhibiting &lt;strong&gt;ripe&lt;/strong&gt; raspberry, wild berry and &lt;strong&gt;blackberry&lt;/strong&gt; flavors that are supported by &lt;strong&gt;ripe&lt;/strong&gt;, integrated tannins.  Ends with a pepper and &lt;strong&gt;cedar &lt;/strong&gt;note.  Drink now through 2011.  2, 213 cases made.  J.L.&quot;

Do these wines sound similar to you?  The pricing, varieties and regions are all different (all are New World Wines though.)

Here&#039;s a Decanter review of one of the wines above, same vintage... can you match it to the wine?  &quot;Intense spice, dark fruit and liquorice, rich concentrated cherry and damson fruit with vanilla oak and fresh acidity, stylish.  2-7 years (AR)&quot; 

Ron judges with me in San Diego.  I think he just meant to say that he is aware that I have extensive tasting experience and as such I am a credible judge.  If you were to look around the room in San Diego you would see many judges more experienced than I as well a handful that are just starting out.  While scores are aggregated the panels are managed by the head judge to ensure that the veteran judges are able to show the newer judges the ropes.  In San Diego we were even shown our individual medal count to give us an idea of how overly harsh or overly generous we were (I was on par).  American Idol would not work if you had three Paula&#039;s judging and no Simon, similary judgings try to create checks and balances. 

Sadly there is no one good way to suggest wines for a consumer.  I just did not appreciate the backlash for an activity that, along with critics, attempts to help the consumer.  Each consumer will make their own choice as to what matters to them, but they should have as many options open to them as possible.  The Los Angeles International Wine Competition has been judging wine for seventy years.  They bring wine to the consumer directly through extensive educational tastings at the fair.  They help to promote spirits and olive oils in their judgings now too.  They give me an opportunity to taste numerous wines that would never have crossed my lips otherwise.  They do much more than just dole out bronze, silver and gold medals.  Why mess with a good thing?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your thoughtful comment.  I totally understand your valid points.  All the competitions that I mention have a list of judges and their biographies and credentials as well as information regarding the methodology they use on their websites.  While I understand that this process may seem random to you, remember that an individual palate is very random naturally.  Does the critic in question disclose whether they ate spicy Thai food the night before the tasting or whether they were having a fight with their spouse?  Did Fedex arrive in the middle of their tasting?  Did they have a deadline to meet so they had to taste more wines than usual that day?  I know that the most reputable critics try to keep their tasting as consistent as possible, but there is no way to be 100% consistent whether in a judging or as an individual critic.</p>
<p>Also please remember that I was not speaking as much about an educated consumer such as yourself who researches wines before they go to a wine store, I was thinking more in terms of a less savvy consumer who is at Safeway and needs to know on the fly what wine to grab, or maybe a buyer for a retailer chain that has less experience and less opportunity to taste the wines themselves.  They do not read four or five critics reviews and cross reference them with their own experiences.  Obviously the ideal scenario would be for the consumer to determine what they like themselves, but we know that is not generally the norm.  </p>
<p>Critics can be helpful but I find that all too often their critiques rely on flowery language rather than on what the structure, balance, alcohol, tannin and acidity in the wine is like.  This is my pet peeve.  If you were to read a review &#8220;blind&#8221; I would think you would be hard-pressed to figure out what the wine was.  While some critics taste blind the consumer that buys according to critical review does not BUY blind.  Which of these three Spectator rated wines would you buy?  And how much would you pay?<br />
WINE A&#8221;<strong>Ripe</strong>, plush and deeply concentrated, with tiers of currant, <strong>plum</strong>, <strong>blackberry</strong> and spicy <strong>cedar</strong>y oak.  Firmly tannic, lively and deep revealing extra flavor nuances on the long engaging finish.  Best from 2008 through 2013. 11, 800 cases made. J.M.&#8221;<br />
WINE B&#8221;Very <strong>ripe</strong>, but also racy with an exotic array of graphite, tar, sweet dark chocolate, <strong>plum</strong>, fig and violet.  Has great <strong>structure</strong> and drive through the grip-filled finish. Drink now through 2009.  3,000 cases made, J.M&#8221;<br />
WINE C&#8221;Firm and well-<strong>structure</strong>d, exhibiting <strong>ripe</strong> raspberry, wild berry and <strong>blackberry</strong> flavors that are supported by <strong>ripe</strong>, integrated tannins.  Ends with a pepper and <strong>cedar </strong>note.  Drink now through 2011.  2, 213 cases made.  J.L.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do these wines sound similar to you?  The pricing, varieties and regions are all different (all are New World Wines though.)</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a Decanter review of one of the wines above, same vintage&#8230; can you match it to the wine?  &#8220;Intense spice, dark fruit and liquorice, rich concentrated cherry and damson fruit with vanilla oak and fresh acidity, stylish.  2-7 years (AR)&#8221; </p>
<p>Ron judges with me in San Diego.  I think he just meant to say that he is aware that I have extensive tasting experience and as such I am a credible judge.  If you were to look around the room in San Diego you would see many judges more experienced than I as well a handful that are just starting out.  While scores are aggregated the panels are managed by the head judge to ensure that the veteran judges are able to show the newer judges the ropes.  In San Diego we were even shown our individual medal count to give us an idea of how overly harsh or overly generous we were (I was on par).  American Idol would not work if you had three Paula&#8217;s judging and no Simon, similary judgings try to create checks and balances. </p>
<p>Sadly there is no one good way to suggest wines for a consumer.  I just did not appreciate the backlash for an activity that, along with critics, attempts to help the consumer.  Each consumer will make their own choice as to what matters to them, but they should have as many options open to them as possible.  The Los Angeles International Wine Competition has been judging wine for seventy years.  They bring wine to the consumer directly through extensive educational tastings at the fair.  They help to promote spirits and olive oils in their judgings now too.  They give me an opportunity to taste numerous wines that would never have crossed my lips otherwise.  They do much more than just dole out bronze, silver and gold medals.  Why mess with a good thing?</p>
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		<title>By: JD in Napa</title>
		<link>http://rebeccachapa.com/2009/05/06/the-judging-circuit/#comment-132</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 14:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This consumer (OK, kinda wine-geeky) respectfully disagrees with the suggestion that wine judgings have more value than evaluations of critics.  A wine gets a silver medal from a competition, but what does that tell me?  Nothing.  I know nothing about the panel, the setting, the rules of the particular competition.  How many wines were the judges tasting over what period of time?  How familiar are the judges with the varietal or region?  All I know is that a random group of people with qualifications unknown to me, using undisclosed (or not readily available) criteria, gave the wine a silver.  I have no means of benchmarking.  And, as occasionally happens, I&#039;m familiar with the wine, and think it is much better than the other silvers in the category, as well as better or equal to those awarded golds (A &quot;What Were They Thinking??&quot; moment).  Doesn&#039;t leave me with the warm fuzzies regarding the competition.  And even if it&#039;s a big name competition, what are the odds that the same panel will judge the same varietals in successive vintages?  Well, I have no way of knowing.  Seems pretty random to me.

Compare this knowledge vacuum to what I get from the four or five critics that I follow (all of whom taste blind, by the way).  I have a pretty good idea of their likes and dislikes, and know where we agree and disagree.  I can benchmark against their evaluations, and know that I typically agree with critic A on Zin, critic B on Pinot Noir, critic C on Italian reds, and so on (as well as who I disagree with on various varietals).  And, importantly, it&#039;s not the score that I look at, it&#039;s the description of the evaluation that supports the score.  An 89 from Wine Enthusiast, for example, doesn&#039;t mean much to me until I drill down to the see who the critic was and what their review had to offer.  But at least I can get at this information, so in reality, an 89 from WE means a lot more to me than a silver medal from wherever.

I&#039;m curious.  Ron says that he trusts your judging results.  But how would he know it&#039;s you?  Wouldn&#039;t you be on a panel, with aggregated results?  Don&#039;t see how that could work...unless you talk about the wines you judged on your blog or elsewhere.  Should this be the case, under my criteria you then morph from judge to critic....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This consumer (OK, kinda wine-geeky) respectfully disagrees with the suggestion that wine judgings have more value than evaluations of critics.  A wine gets a silver medal from a competition, but what does that tell me?  Nothing.  I know nothing about the panel, the setting, the rules of the particular competition.  How many wines were the judges tasting over what period of time?  How familiar are the judges with the varietal or region?  All I know is that a random group of people with qualifications unknown to me, using undisclosed (or not readily available) criteria, gave the wine a silver.  I have no means of benchmarking.  And, as occasionally happens, I&#8217;m familiar with the wine, and think it is much better than the other silvers in the category, as well as better or equal to those awarded golds (A &#8220;What Were They Thinking??&#8221; moment).  Doesn&#8217;t leave me with the warm fuzzies regarding the competition.  And even if it&#8217;s a big name competition, what are the odds that the same panel will judge the same varietals in successive vintages?  Well, I have no way of knowing.  Seems pretty random to me.</p>
<p>Compare this knowledge vacuum to what I get from the four or five critics that I follow (all of whom taste blind, by the way).  I have a pretty good idea of their likes and dislikes, and know where we agree and disagree.  I can benchmark against their evaluations, and know that I typically agree with critic A on Zin, critic B on Pinot Noir, critic C on Italian reds, and so on (as well as who I disagree with on various varietals).  And, importantly, it&#8217;s not the score that I look at, it&#8217;s the description of the evaluation that supports the score.  An 89 from Wine Enthusiast, for example, doesn&#8217;t mean much to me until I drill down to the see who the critic was and what their review had to offer.  But at least I can get at this information, so in reality, an 89 from WE means a lot more to me than a silver medal from wherever.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious.  Ron says that he trusts your judging results.  But how would he know it&#8217;s you?  Wouldn&#8217;t you be on a panel, with aggregated results?  Don&#8217;t see how that could work&#8230;unless you talk about the wines you judged on your blog or elsewhere.  Should this be the case, under my criteria you then morph from judge to critic&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Rawlinson</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 13:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I couldn&#039;t agree more about the merit of a score/judging from a panel of wine pros versus a single taster. A panel of judges will tend to balance each other out. Without question, the wines are tasted with one eye towards the winemaker (&quot;Is it flawed or technically/varietally correct&quot;) and the other towards the consumser (&quot;Would Joe six pack be happy if he bought this wine&quot;) 

Even though she seems to be so young (worth asking for her ID?) Chapa has an incredible (and consistent) palate. I trust her judging results.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more about the merit of a score/judging from a panel of wine pros versus a single taster. A panel of judges will tend to balance each other out. Without question, the wines are tasted with one eye towards the winemaker (&#8220;Is it flawed or technically/varietally correct&#8221;) and the other towards the consumser (&#8220;Would Joe six pack be happy if he bought this wine&#8221;) </p>
<p>Even though she seems to be so young (worth asking for her ID?) Chapa has an incredible (and consistent) palate. I trust her judging results.</p>
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